Shogun 2 Total War Realm Divide
Shogun 2's Realm Divide Mechanic. I must admit, I love the Total War series. Having just bought a gaming PC a few weeks ago, Shogun 2 was a no brainer. Every faction in the game was. It sounds like Realm Divide snuck up on you, but if you take a dozen turns or so to reface your economy and get at least 1.5-2k rolling in per turn with no trade, you'll be in a good place. This is also where agents will start to show their value. Use ninjas to assassinate and sabotage, monks to demoralize.
Welcome to!A subreddit for all of those who love the Total War series. Might be a little too late to do what you need for Realm Divide. What's gonna hit you hardest is loosing all possibility of trade with other factions. To deal with that, you need to make sure you have a very strong farm/market based economy.
Otherwise, make sure you've got a couple fully decked out armies. When I played the Date, 4 armies were enough, but they were elite as fuck. Use your date-no dachi with fully upgraded weapons from your home province. Those guys are hardcore and will win any battle for you if you make sure they get a good charge and you keep them away from missiles. I mean it depends how good you are at battles. If you're confident that any one of your armies can handle 2-3 full stacks at once, then you can definitely bottleneck all your enemies just east of kyoto. Just watch out for invasions fleets.
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AI loves to embark some large armies and sail them around and invade the core of your domain. So make sure you also have some decent fleets ready to sink any sea-based invasion forcesedit: by the way, the warning about realm divide is not time-based. So you could potentially delay realm divide for a very long time. Just dont capture any more territory and focus on improving what you have to the max.
Indeed much of my advice has already been given. What should be done is in the beginning you expand. As you expand and gain glory, the Emperor will reward you. The greater your reward, the closer you are to becoming his rival and thus, the enemy of all Japan.So, when you have become sufficiently powerful, but are not yet a danger to the Emperor, you must stop your armies, and develop your lands until your economy is powerful. Build trade ships and then build navies can protect your trade routes. Capture the black-ship if possible.
Build four or five powerful armies, and then when all is prepared, take what is yours, and become Shogun!. It hasn't been mentioned yet, so I'll say it - go back over all of your provinces that aren't near the front line and raze a lot of your recruitment structures. Then replace them with markets and sake dens.If you start to lose ground, do the opposite in a few provinces so you can recover from losses, if need be.It sounds like Realm Divide snuck up on you, but if you take a dozen turns or so to reface your economy and get at least 1.5-2k rolling in per turn with no trade, you'll be in a good place.This is also where agents will start to show their value. Use ninjas to assassinate and sabotage, monks to demoralize, and keep your metsuke near your generals in case enemy ninja show themselves.For the Date!. My strategy.Make as many good friends as possible, wether with vassals, large friendly alliances, paying people off, etc.
Right before you hit realm divide, if you have been doing the right thing you should be getting anywhere from 5-8k/turn.Start paying off provinces, get them to REALLY like you and get everyone into a military alliance for you.Then. Prepare for them to betray you.The goal is, not RIGHT then, but eventually, 1 by 1 they will betray you and start attacking you, the rest of japan unifying against you.What we are seeking, is to keep them from attacking all at once, turning on you like a horde of sheep. This way, you still get to keep a majority of your resources and you dont loose crucial trade revenue all at once. Then when the vassals start attacking you, you simply scoop them back up.I'm doing this right now with Nobunaga. I took Oda Nobuhide, and Noboyuki, and swept the Date who had taken the northern peninsula, Allied with the Takeda who had 7 provinces from Shinano northward, and took the Hojo, Yamanouchi, Mogato, and Sakata as vassal states along the way.I left Oda Nobunaga in Eichi, and used him to sweep south, taking Noto and Kaga from the Ikko Ikki, and used another general as Vassal recovery when the betrayal came.My only issue is when Chosokabe started hitting me with drop ships of armies on the east coast from Mikawa to Kiso. That kinda messed with my plans.But overall it fared very we,ll because for at least 10 turns, I had a fully united alliance, who was attacking the shogunate, reduced the Ikko Ikki to ruins, weakened the Takeda, and demolished the Hatakeyama and Hattori Clans to ruins.
I'm new to shogun 2 (well i owned it for a while but never gave it a chance until now) and i played it like every total war, slowly carefully, planning every step. After that the realm divide came, i never even heard about it, so i was like, okay this is ♥♥♥♥ed up but i have 2 strong allies (Chosokabe and hojo) so i'll manage somehow. While the tojo forces f inished off the remaining takeda forces, i and the chosokabe foughts againts the shogunates, i even managed to take kyoto with my main army, but before that the chosokabe betrayed me, after i took kyoto the Hojo did the same.I checked and literally whole japan is at war with me, while i was exteremly careful with dipolomacy only going to wars if i have to and mainting good relationships, and this is the reward?
A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t all out war?Could someone explain this to me? Are there any decent tactics or logics behind this, because right now this feels like a cluster F and not a total war moment.
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Or better yet is there a way to remove it?What do you think about the 'realm divide'? If you've never heard of Realm Divide, you must not have been on these forums before. It is quite possibly the biggest source of angry rage threads in the entire game.You see, the AI in Total War hates the player. Completely and unconditionally. They don't treat the player as another AI, they consider you their biggest threat and most hated enemy. When you go to the diplomacy screen, imagine everything they say is said through clenched teeth with one hand on their sword.
Basically, they want you dead. Any alliance you make with the AI should be considered temporary.Realm Divide is the point where they stop pretending not to hate you. This is the floodgates opening. Once you reach this point, you are completely on your own against all of Japan. I've heard that a vassal clan related to you by marriage might not attack you, but I wouldn't count on it. Every other clan will be out for your blood.Realm Divide can trigger two ways:-By taking Kyoto-By capturing a certain number of provinces. Cartoon image of a sad face.
If you look at the yellow bar in your Clan Management tab, you'll see how close you are to the beginning of Armageddon.Before RD hits, always upgrade your farms, stockpile some koku, and if you can begin trading with the nanban, because no Japanese will trade with you after RD. The good news is, if you survive the opening years of Realm Divide you have basically won the game. Originally posted by:If you've never heard of Realm Divide, you must not have been on these forums before. It is quite possibly the biggest source of angry rage threads in the entire game.You see, the AI in Total War hates the player. Completely and unconditionally. They don't treat the player as another AI, they consider you their biggest threat and most hated enemy. When you go to the diplomacy screen, imagine everything they say is said through clenched teeth with one hand on their sword.
Basically, they want you dead. Any alliance you make with the AI should be considered temporary.Realm Divide is the point where they stop pretending not to hate you. This is the floodgates opening. Once you reach this point, you are completely on your own against all of Japan. I've heard that a vassal clan related to you by marriage might not attack you, but I wouldn't count on it. Every other clan will be out for your blood.Realm Divide can trigger two ways:-By taking Kyoto-By capturing a certain number of provinces. If you look at the yellow bar in your Clan Management tab, you'll see how close you are to the beginning of Armageddon.Before RD hits, always upgrade your farms, stockpile some koku, and if you can begin trading with the nanban, because no Japanese will trade with you after RD.
The good news is, if you survive the opening years of Realm Divide you have basically won the game.I think i might just look for a realm divide adjuster/remover, because it could have potential in my opinion but it's broken beyond repair. I mean how can i win as the Hattori? I basically have to follow a pre-determined path every game, to avoid a 2 front war.
And that kills the randomness of the total war games, while that is the source of the replayibility.Also currently i'm thankful for the spoiler here, because real divide in Rise of the samurai? What the hell?Why? Isn't the endgame there like 'Emperor loyalists vs shogunate OR claiming control'?
How does the realm divide work there? Yeah I agree totally. As many ways as RD could've been tweaked, I still defend it as a mechanic because like you say, one of the biggest weaknesses of TW has been the late game.Once you build your faction into a powerhouse in the early game, the rest has always just been mopping up operations.I think CA realized that pretty early on actually, hence the civil war event in RTW. But it had a lot of problems, most obvious of course being it only applied to the Roman family factions. Then they tried using an 'external threat' mechanic to achieve the same thing for all factions, by way of the Mongols and Timurids in Med 2; but the problem was that it was too repetitious, I.e. Shogun 2 can still be the steamroll game that apparently the other TW games are.Just depends though really.
I guess if that happens you are playing on too easy of a level, but then again, I have had it happen on legendary once or twice too.Seems to be a little bit of luck and/or just good timing though. Sometimes an AI will accept trade and military alliance, but if you don't send it, they might just dow you instead. Lots of random factors with the AI, but like said it can be done. I have even had games where I mopped up the last few provinces by inciting revolts on my allies because I had no enemies (in fots).Without RD, I would probably get bored and never even finish a campaign though.I play more of a slow game though, always building up economy and infrastructure, playing somewhat defensively. So in that regard, it is less of a roller coaster type game for me, because late in the game I could lose an entire army (which rarely happens) and all it would do is slow me down a few turns essentially.
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Spam up a new army with the 10's of thousands of koku everyturn or redirect another army and its no biggie most the time. Mile,That pretty well sums it up what you posted above.As a very typical example, In my current campaign the Ikko Ikki and Takeda clans took over pretty 2/3's of the island, in fact Ikko Ikki had 36 provinces by themselves at the point we met up in earnest.
And this sort of ending where a few clans have consolidated power happens pretty much in every campaign, when you couple that with RD you get the most challenging mid-end game campaign that any TW provides, it's not even a close contest.And as you said, nothing else CA has come up with has worked, and clearly they've tried repeatedly. I do think the MTW2 Pope game mechanic was rather clever. I had many a time I slowed down or halted an attack to avoid being excomm'd.
Originally posted by:The mechanic would be totally fine, if it applied to every faction not just the player. I mean i wasn't clearly the 'biggest fish' when the realm divide happened the Hojo had the same amount of regions but a lot more armies because well they barely seem to have any upkeep costs.It would be really fun if it could become something like 'alliance vs alliance' because it's really annoying when literaly lifetime long allies betray me on the fly.You can get a mission from the shogunate to take provinces from clans that have too much power,but i belive that is the most that can happen.Also it cancels out if you are allied to said clan.